EscortsSan Francisco Bay Area Adult Entertainment Guide HomeEscorts
Subject: "sick of 'multiple pop' talk" Locked thread - Read only
 
  Previous Topic | Next Topic
Printer-friendly copy    
Conferences Off Topic Open House Topic #38
Reading Topic #38

anon provider*
unregistered user
04-Oct-02, 09:36 AM (PST)
 
"sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
 
   am i the only one who finds 'can i get multiple pops' a rude question? i don't know what else to do about this, i have reviews that mention i'm very giving and multiples are allowed.

i'm sorry that you guys get ripped off by women that hustle you out the door after you come. i happen to agree with the poster that you are paying for an hour of sex, if you want to have sex for an hour than go for it, but it's that kind of attitude that *might* make a girl a clockwatcher.

two things:

1. I am not in a position to discuss how many times you can come in an hour. That's on you.

2. I am only speaking for myself, but it's such a turn off to me that i'm considering refusing to see anyone who asks. It immediately makes me feel less excited about meeting you, and that excited feeling is integral to being a GFE.

Do you think it's okay to terminate a conversation if someone claims to have read your reviews and then goes on to ask for info that is available in them? It seems a little rude to me, but I'm not selling newspaper subscriptions here. I was patient, took a lot of time and took a lot of risks to get those reviews, and i thought the point was to be a shortcut to whether or not I am your type, it seems silly to take just as much time and risk as I did when I was a newbie discussing what I am about, when your peers have taken the time to write an honest description of just that.

How many times does one have to prove that they are not falsely advertising? The point of a review, to me, is to save both of our times, and ensure both of our safety (you from getting ripped off or dealing with a pimp, me from having to discuss too many details). It goes both ways guys, I take the time to determine if I am your type, can I ask that you try and meet me halfway.

I am *this* close to instituting a policy of not seeing anyone who hasn't done their research before calling. My reputation is very very important to me, and I don't want to risk it with people who didn't see the information that was there in black and white.

  Alert Edit | Top

 
Conferences | Forums | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

jillsix
Charter Member
2350 posts
04-Oct-02, 09:58 AM (PST)
Click to EMail jillsix Click to send private message to jillsix Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
1. "LE Earful"
In response to message #0
 

  Alert Edit | Top

fountainhead
Charter Member
3253 posts
04-Oct-02, 10:12 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to fountainhead Click to add this user to your buddy list  
2. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #0
 
   i assume that as a provider, much of your business comes
from guys who have no tact or social skills. basically, no clue
at all.

that's why they see providers.

what you're describing sounds natural to me. a bunch of nerds reading a product spec. and asking the salesperson about the
product as if they were comparing engine sizes or steering options.

if you really want to give up their business for that, you're
in the wrong business.

  Alert Edit | Top

agotee
Charter Member
2065 posts
04-Oct-02, 10:31 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to agotee Click to add this user to your buddy list  
3. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON 04-Oct-02 AT 10:31 AM (PST)
 
Yes, I'm sick of seeing it as well. Why is quantity more important than quality?

Know what else I'm sick of seeing? GFE. Give it a rest.

  Alert Edit | Top

cutiepieltt
Charter Member
4221 posts
04-Oct-02, 11:01 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to cutiepieltt Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
4. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #3
 
Well i did the multi milking for a week or two and then so many other girls did it and i stoped what really makes me mad is when you offer something and then everyone has to offer it just so they have the same they feel why have her i offer that because i am cutiepie and i am diferent that is why my fees my time stop takeing my deals


  Alert Edit | Top

fountainhead
Charter Member
3253 posts
04-Oct-02, 11:06 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to fountainhead Click to add this user to your buddy list  
5. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #4
 
   >Well i did the multi milking for a week or two and then so
>many other girls did it and i stoped what really makes me
>mad is when you offer something and then everyone has to
>offer it just so they have the same they feel why have her
>i offer that because i am cutiepie and i am diferent that is
>why my fees my time stop takeing my deals

welcome to the business world.

come up with a good idea and people "borrow" it. to stay alive you need to constantly innovate. you can't patent multi-milkings (but you might be able to copyright the term).

  Alert Edit | Top

peachgal
Charter Member
1304 posts
04-Oct-02, 06:55 PM (PST)
Click to EMail peachgal Click to send private message to peachgal Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
16. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #5
 
Yeah. Like cutiepie invented multiples. Puhleeeez!

Queen of the Magical Forest
Where love the magician knows this little trick, whereby two people walk in different directions, yet always remain side by side.

  Alert Edit | Top

733T
Member since 17-Sep-02
311 posts
04-Oct-02, 11:09 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to 733T Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
6. "!!"
In response to message #4
 
A lot of the other provider did it anyhow, but did not advertise quite as much. Cuite you were not the first one to come up with this idea its been around a lot longer then you have been alive.

  Alert Edit | Top

cutiepieltt
Charter Member
4221 posts
04-Oct-02, 11:17 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to cutiepieltt Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list Click to send message via AOL IM  
7. "RE: !!"
In response to message #6
 
Well when i did they started and all so my fees and CandyGirls Yall took HER 15 for $50 and MY 20 for $80 and i think yall need to come up with some deals on your own

  Alert Edit | Top

em2
Charter Member
137 posts
04-Oct-02, 11:21 AM (PST)
Click to EMail em2 Click to send private message to em2 Click to add this user to your buddy list  
8. "RE: !!"
In response to message #7
 
   life is rough, it's not always fair, live with it!

  Alert Edit | Top

WB
Charter Member
403 posts
04-Oct-02, 04:34 PM (PST)
Click to EMail WB Click to send private message to WB Click to add this user to your buddy list  
13. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, BUT,"
In response to message #4
 
   in your case QTP, we'll make an exception...

  Alert Edit | Top

huh*
unregistered user
15-Oct-02, 02:44 PM (PST)
 
21. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #4
 
   "multi milking" ??? Do we have so many hungry babies out there?
--->

  Alert Edit | Top

KnaveOfHearts
Charter Member
118 posts
04-Oct-02, 11:44 AM (PST)
Click to send private message to KnaveOfHearts Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
9. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #0
 
   What's wrong with tactfully suggesting that you can't discuss details of services, but that the caller can learn what he needs to know by reading your reviews? Suggest they peruse the reviews and, if still interested, call back.

Some people won't do due diligence beforehand unless prodded (insert rim shot here ), yet they may turn out to be perfectly good clients.

Others may have read so many reviews they start to get them mixed up (that's me - I need a freakin' database).

Knave

  Alert Edit | Top

Turgid
Member since 2-Oct-02
7 posts
04-Oct-02, 12:00 PM (PST)
Click to EMail Turgid Click to send private message to Turgid Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
10. "Do I understand this correctly?!?"
In response to message #9
 
   Even though I pay for a *one hour* session, some providers end the session after the money shot?? Not to sound like a pushy bastard, but I'll take the whole friggin' hour, thank you, or we'll talk reduced fee. It seems only fair.

I know it's *buyer beware*, but that's just plain bad business. I also think it's up to each of us to make that information prominent when it happens. I understand that occasionally there's some rude, smelly, or odd guy that they just want to push out the door, but as a regular practice that seems underhanded.

Man, this is more complicated than I thought. Nevertheless, forward I go ....


Turgid

The Man from Nantucket

  Alert Edit | Top

jsal2000
Member since 7-Dec-02
41 posts
04-Oct-02, 03:40 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to jsal2000 Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
11. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #9
 
   LAST EDITED ON 04-Oct-02 AT 03:43 PM (PST)
 
I agree with the to many reviews. I look at the classifieds, find a few providers that I think are good looking and go look for their reviews. After reading 20 to 30 reviews, they all start blending together.

Also, asking on the phone for details is for clarification. How do I know that 1) what the reviewer wrote is true, 2) does the provider still provide the same types of services or did she change the menu so to speak, 3) it is a means of getting to know the provider a little, listening to her voice and trying to gauge her attitude and personnality.

I would agree with a previous poster, if you can't handle answering the same questions over and over and over and over, you shouldn't be in this or any other sales type business. Let's face it, you are in a service/sales type business. You are selling a service, the customer is buying that service. The customer wants to be sure that they are going to receive the type of service that they are expecting. That requires questions, and unfortunately, us customers, are only asking the questions a few times to providers while you are probably getting the questions from every customer you talk to.

Unfortunately, that is the sales side of the business and you need to maintain a plesant demeanor with each customer. I realize it can be frustrating but that is the nature of business.

  Alert Edit | Top

BigBill
Charter Member
323 posts
04-Oct-02, 04:25 PM (PST)
Click to EMail BigBill Click to send private message to BigBill Click to add this user to your buddy list  
12. "Too many reviews??"
In response to message #11
 
   Sorry to be such a disagreeable bastard, but why do you even bother to use RedBook? You read reviews until you can no longer remember who is who and you don't trust the accuracy of the reviews.

Before you decide to call a provider, re-read just her reviews to see if she is right for you. When you call it should be to confirm price and get schedule and location information. Look at the number of reviews and the reviewers to gauge the level of trust to put into them. If you are just calling to kick the tires, understand that providers get quite a few calls like that from guys with no intention of booking - it is a waste of time. As far as them dealing with the same question over and over, the problem is that they could expose themselves to problems by answering those questions, so only those desperate for business or willing to assume higher risk will do that.

Unfortuneately, that is the customer side of the service you are seeking, and you have to maintain a respectful and business like demeanor with each provider. I realize it can be frustrating, but that is the nature of hobbying.

  Alert Edit | Top

anon provider*
unregistered user
04-Oct-02, 04:47 PM (PST)
 
14. "Big Bill, I think i love you ..."
In response to message #12
 
   but what am i so afraid of?

this is exactly the kind of debate i was looking for, and i think it's great to see it from the hobbyist's point of view as i tried to show the provider's point of view.

but i am a hypocrit, i didn't follow my own advice and do my homework. there was a thread today about a provider who hung up on a caller who inquired about her FS rates. and the replies, as well as the ones to this post, really made me think.

it's a huge price to pay -- risking arrest because a caller isn't organized. i did that enough in the beginning in order to get established. but beyond that, from what i've read, a class act, a true professional, will not discuss it over the phone or via email, and that's the sort of provider i want to be.

if i lose a few good apples because i'm more hardnosed, so be it. i can't do more than be consistent in what i deliver, that's all i have control over. like someone said above, better safe than sorry. better to go slow and comfortable, than end up burnt and bitter or with an arrest record.

this is something i need reminding of more often: it's up to me to establish boundaries. if someone doesn't know where the boundaries are, they cannot be faulted for crossing them. if i can't take responsibility for establishing limits I can't call anyone else out for not taking responsiblity for their actions.

so, i'm chastened and wiser.

thanks for the food for thought and have a good weekend.

  Alert Edit | Top

girls4play
Charter Member
393 posts
04-Oct-02, 05:05 PM (PST)
Click to EMail girls4play Click to send private message to girls4play Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
15. "RE: Big Bill, I think i love you ..."
In response to message #14
 
   Wow, I love Bill too!

"it's a huge price to pay -- risking arrest because a caller isn't organized."

You hit the nail on the head. I once had a gentleman come to my incall dropping money on the floor when he entered the room, re-asking prices, trying to negotiate a lower fee AFTER he arrived and even asking for the cost of a "5 minute quickie" after he booked an hour. (This was the same gentleman who did all this!!) Needless to say, I had to end our date.

Doing your homework and using discretion is key to having a memorable time. Clients have to remember that the trust factor has not been established yet on the first date.


Join our Group!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/girls4play/

  Alert Edit | Top

northbay
Charter Member
369 posts
05-Oct-02, 06:54 PM (PST)
Click to EMail northbay Click to send private message to northbay Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
17. "Girls, there is a reason guys ask..."
In response to message #14
 
   I've never asked for multiples, but I've gotten them a few times (or at least they've tried to give me a multiple). What pisses guys off more than anything else is paying top dollar for a great looking woman and being rushed into coming and she's dressed and out the door in 15 minutes. It's happened to all of us at least once. Some guys ask the question thinking that a provider that offers it wouldn't dare walk out after the first pop if it happens early. We aren't just paying for an hour of sex, sometimes we just want an hour of your time. I love the after sex chat with a sweet woman that clicks with my personality.

If I want to walk into a room, strip, slip on a rubber and get off, I'll stay home. But if I want to take it slow with a half hour of foreplay, lots of hugging and feeling, and then get off in the last 15-20 minutes of the session, I'll drop 3 bills every time and be back for more.

  Alert Edit | Top

FrenchKiss
Charter Member
2099 posts
15-Oct-02, 01:22 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to FrenchKiss Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
18. "Excellent post!"
In response to message #0
 
Too bad the point seemed to be mistaken by some.

If I understand you correctly- you don't have a problem with multiples, your clients are entitled to as many as they can pull off, and your reviews support this fact. You just don't want to be asked if it's okay when he calls to make the appointment, or when he shows up/you show up for the session. I feel the same way, completely.

Multiples is just one of many examples of this indiscretion. Another one is, "do you do BBBJTC?" (which sounds very weird when asked aloud, I should add- usually has a "b" missing or added to it). Or my personal (least) favorite "could I get just *blank* service for this much?"

Read the reviews, because some of us get really stressed out if you ask us what we do for the money- especially right upon arrival. It's also very rude to negotiate a lower rate for a partial service after your arrival. From now on, those guys go right out the door. Not because of their lack of manners, but because I don't need that kind of stress. I'm not ultra paranoid, but I am not ultra stupid either.

  Alert Edit | Top

jjj
Charter Member
2300 posts
15-Oct-02, 01:47 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to jjj Click to add this user to your buddy list  
19. "RE: Excellent post!"
In response to message #18
 
   Steph,

Your opinion is acknowledged and I understand your frustration as a provider.

However, how can johns know if your reviews say BBBJ is on your menu but you has excluded it from your service without asking? Feature is defitely 'key' to choose the provider. I met the provider who has a reputation of BBBJTCWS/DFK and I paid her $$.5, but I won't pay the same amount of money if she does not do it.

Buying pussy is not small shopping to me. Can't we johns just confirm what's on your current menu beforehand?

JJJ in East Bay

  Alert Edit | Top

Al*
unregistered user
15-Oct-02, 02:08 PM (PST)
 
20. "RE: Excellent post!"
In response to message #19
 
   <<<Buying pussy is not small shopping to me>>>

Would that be plastic, latex or paper?

You are not really buying it!
You are renting snatch by the hour or however
long you have both agreed & payed for its use.

  Alert Edit | Top

*
unregistered user
15-Oct-02, 04:06 PM (PST)
 
22. "RE: Excellent post!"
In response to message #19
 
   If you want to know the answer to your questions, ask her if her reviews are accurate. If she says no, ask how so.

Each escort sets her own rates. If she used to offer a service that she no longer offers, it is not up to you to decide what she is now worth. You can decide whether you want to pay her rate, but you do not have the right to discount her fee.

Most escorts have some YMMV. A lot of factors determine which services she may offer. These are most likely the reasons: safety concerns, money, client cleanliness, cycle (ovulation/mestruation), personal attraction, chemistry, and sexual compatability.

  Alert Edit | Top

charlotte_sometimes
Member since 2-Sep-02
950 posts
15-Oct-02, 04:14 PM (PST)
Click to send private message to charlotte_sometimes Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
23. "i am anon provider"
In response to message #0
 
LAST EDITED ON 15-Oct-02 AT 04:29 PM (PST)
 
i posted this and i'd like to say for the record that the person who inspired the post turned out to be a great guy, so it just goes to show that red flags are sometimes herrings of the same hue.

since i've posted this i've instituted a policy of not discussing details and it's going swimmingly. i merely state that my reviews are a very accurate description of the tenor and tone of my services (jjj, that solves your concern). it's a double good thing, i feel safer and more professional.

in my humble opinion, all the emails and phone calls in the world are not going to ease the stress of meeting someone for the first time. i think that's what all this is really about. of course that's also what makes it exciting. there is no getting around the fact that a lot of this is up to chance, it's human nature to want some kind of guarantee, and to put it less kindly, to have something or someone to blame if things don't go as hoped.

i've actually felt relief from hobbyists when i say i won't discuss stuff, because that means one of us is setting boundaries, and things can move forward rather than a long awkward coversation which gives both sides too much time to fret.

i'm very authentic on RB, and all over it like white on rice. Someone who has read my reviews, read a few posts and perhaps chatted with me is going to have a pretty good idea of who i am and what i'm about. Someone who is just cold calling I don't mind having a short businesslike conversation with, but they probably aren't going to see anything about me that is distinctive (although I do have a nice voice ) and run a greater risk of being disappointed, because i'm not a hot hardbody wet dream, nor do I offer specials.

i was suprised to find this board is as provider friendly as it is. by letting us post and chat you have two other resources at your disposal to ensure picking a provider you click with.

  Alert Edit | Top

Blair
Charter Member
1113 posts
15-Oct-02, 07:01 PM (PST)
Click to EMail Blair Click to send private message to Blair Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
24. "RE: sick of 'multiple pop' talk"
In response to message #0
 
   >am i the only one who finds 'can i get multiple pops' a rude
>question? i don't know what else to do about this, i have
>reviews that mention i'm very giving and multiples are
>allowed.
Yes, it's not a cool question.


>Do you think it's okay to terminate a conversation if
>someone claims to have read your reviews and then goes on to
>ask for info that is available in them?
Absoltely, if he cannot figure it out hang-up the phone.


>How many times does one have to prove that they are not
>falsely advertising? The point of a review, to me, is to
>save both of our times, and ensure both of our safety (you
>from getting ripped off or dealing with a pimp, me from
>having to discuss too many details). It goes both ways
>guys, I take the time to determine if I am your type, can I
>ask that you try and meet me halfway.
My thoughts are this is some type of power trip for the guy to try and see how far you'll go to get the money. He may not be LE but he is certainly not polite. I drop those guys quickly.

Best,
Blair


New Pictures
http://.
Escort or FBSM
downtown SF Nov 7th - 8th
Mid Penin & South Bay by request (TBD)

  Alert Edit | Top

Hahaha*
unregistered user
15-Oct-02, 07:37 PM (PST)
 
25. "RE: Ladys should give plenty pops anyway...."
In response to message #24
 
   I no call a lady who not know going let me have at least two poppings. Sometimes, me only like one popping cuz, I like do do other tings with lady... so yah, I read da reviews and only see ladys who who no mind wild stuffings, like assfucking...and let me popping more dan once...if I no can... no matter... I be happy! Tanx.

  Alert Edit | Top

Conferences | Forums | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

  © 2003 My Red Book. Powered by DCScripts.com top | help | reviews | faq | links | terms of use