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pretty_ladie (27 posts)	01-May-01, 05:28 PM (PDT)
"Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509"
Do any providers know if this has helped at all in the clubs? I was also wondering if any of you had thoughts on unionization since SEIU already has local 790 set up in SF http://www.eda-sf.org/UNION/EDUarticle.html I also wanted to know any thoughts on if union organization would help or hurt the current situation that dancers are facing in sf.
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RE: lets face facts, pretty_ladie, 01:42 PM, 02-May-01, (4)

RE: lets face facts, Nicole_Farallon, 01:49 PM, 02-May-01, (5)

RE: lets face facts, pretty_ladie, 02:00 PM, 02-May-01, (6)

RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509, Falcon, 01:13 PM, 02-May-01, (3)

RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509, pretty_ladie, 02:08 PM, 02-May-01, (7)

RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509, Nicole_Farallon, 02:55 PM, 02-May-01, (8)

There is an ebb and flow with conditions..., TheGreek, 03:57 PM, 02-May-01, (9)

RE: There is an ebb and flow with conditions..., Nicole_Farallon, 04:15 PM, 02-May-01, (10)

RE: There is an ebb and flow with conditions..., pretty_ladie, 09:08 PM, 02-May-01, (11)
RE: There is an ebb and flow with conditions..., GPenn, 07:30 AM, 03-May-01, (12)

RE: There is an ebb and flow with conditions..., Nicole_Farallon, 11:20 AM, 03-May-01, (13)

RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509, Falcon, 02:36 PM, 03-May-01, (14)

RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509, Nicole_Farallon, 06:15 PM, 03-May-01, (15)

RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509, Falcon, 02:58 PM, 04-May-01, (16)

RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509, Nicole_Farallon, 03:13 PM, 04-May-01, (17)

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pretty_ladie (27 posts)
02-May-01, 01:42 PM (PDT)

4. "RE: lets face facts"

Faye, do you feel that this new "Assembly bill" is bullshit, or that it can help working conditions. Do you think union organization is possible in the adult sex industry or is it just a "wet dream"?

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Nicole_Farallon (202 posts)
02-May-01, 01:49 PM (PDT)

5. "RE: lets face facts"

Are you asking Faye or me! (I'm Nicole) I don't know if it will or not. I think why this whole stripclub bullshit started in the first place was because some MBOT girls sued to be employees. It would be nice at this point if there was some sort of union, but most girls that dance would not be very active. If the stage fees were reasonable, all of this would go away. When you start "counting dances" and putting meters in clubs, the whole thing will go under because local guys will not come. I know that a lot of girls bitched about the 100 dollar quota, but I thought that was reasonable. Oh, to go back to those days!!

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pretty_ladie (27 posts)
02-May-01, 02:00 PM (PDT)

6. "RE: lets face facts"

i'm still half asleep, I ment nicole....

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Falcon (44 posts)
02-May-01, 01:13 PM (PDT)

3. "RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509"

That depends on what you consider "working". The government and club owners now get more of what the dancers make. Some might consider that "working".
Falcon

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pretty_ladie (27 posts)
02-May-01, 02:08 PM (PDT)

7. "RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509"

What about SEIU local 790? They were able to unionize in sf, but of course it took all the girls standing up together. I know the fear is that they wont be able to work or the clubs will close their doors, but the blatent disregard for the work rights of dancers makes me sick.. If the state is willing to give out the business licenses for these clubs to oporate, then the clubs should be regulated like any other business with a license is, and shoild have to adhere to the same codes as other employers.
http://www.eda-sf.org/frame.html

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Nicole_Farallon (202 posts)
02-May-01, 02:55 PM (PDT)

8. "RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509"

It is difficult. But also there are only two clubs in the City where you CAN make big money on a regular basis and they are MBOT and MSC. I tried working at the Century last year, but there was hardly any patrons on day shift. It is a really nice club, the best private booths in the City, and the management was nice too. But, too many rip-off girls have killed the club. I also want to feature at the MSC, but now I am afraid with all of this meter business, there will be no patrons!! I really wish that I had started dancing sooner than I did, because now it is next to impossible.

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TheGreek (369 posts)
02-May-01, 03:57 PM (PDT)

9. "There is an ebb and flow with conditions..."

at strip clubs, just as there is in any other service-oriented businesses. Years ago, when the Fed starting taxing tips and creating rules around figuring what they were (especially since many large tips are done by credit card), many dancers thought that would be the end of the good times. It's the same now; if your income drops off now at a particular club, the management will eventually figure it out, and change its operations its revenue and the income of its dancers. In the meantime, perhaps you can find other clubs to dance at, perhaps not in the immediate area (such as L.A, or Seattle)? There are ALWAYS options.
Just out of curiosity, wasn't the firt unionized strip club the Lust Lady, and the basis of the film "Live Nude Girls Unite!"?
Good luck to both of you, and again, just remember that there are ALWAYS options!

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Nicole_Farallon (202 posts)
02-May-01, 04:15 PM (PDT)

10. "RE: There is an ebb and flow with conditions..."

I thought that it was really stupid about the Lusty Lady being unionized. From what I know, girls were always paid an hourly wage, had no customer contact( it is a peep show). I did not understand what their bitch was. And the girls who sued MBOT only served to up stage fees and put us where we are now! And the girl that started it, Lily ( my husband knew her a few years back) bailed out and does not even work in SF. Why? Because it is screwed up due to her lawsuit!!! Sorry to rant, but it just irritates me when girls are making six figure incomes tax free, and bitch because they don't have health insurance!!

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pretty_ladie (27 posts)
02-May-01, 09:08 PM (PDT)

11. "RE: There is an ebb and flow with conditions..."

i gues my curiosity was regarding the new assembly bill 2509.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/99-00/bill/asm/ab_2501-2550/ab_2509_bill_20000929_chaptered.html
any thoughts?

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GPenn (173 posts)
03-May-01, 07:30 AM (PDT)

12. "RE: There is an ebb and flow with conditions..."

A little background info:
The LL dancers weren't (and aren't) in Nicole's league in terms of income. The MBOT suit and the LL unionization involved very different issues and very different conditions.
It might seem kinda weird for unionization to start at the place with the most "enlightened" management (owned and run by women; most managers were former dancers) to begin with. The issue that started them off was that some of the booths had one-way glass, and customers were ignoring the posted signs, bringing in video cameras, videotaping the dancers, and management refused to do anything about it. Then there were more traditional issues like workers being fined for taking earned sick days.
LL has always been primarily a wage-based (not tip-based) shop with no customer contact; much more like a traditional job than MBOT or MSC. So in another way, the LL was the *most* obvious place for a union.

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Nicole_Farallon (202 posts)
03-May-01, 11:20 AM (PDT)

13. "RE: There is an ebb and flow with conditions..."

I did not know about the customers' videotaping the dancers. I could certainly see why they would be upset. And, because it is a wage-based establishment, I guess that it does make sense for unionizing it. I do think that the girls suing the MBOT, and the cancer that is Deja-Vu, are really hurting dancers' incomes though.

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Falcon (44 posts)
03-May-01, 02:36 PM (PDT)

14. "RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509"

How about a bit of a history lesson? What started all this was a few dancers that were getting out of the business and felt like cashing in without any concern for the how much damage they would do to those that were still dancing and those that would come along later. By sueing for back pay when they had been contractors, they forced the clubs to consider dancers employees. The clubs have to pay more to the government for employees than for contractors. So, of course, the clubs now extract that money from the dancers. In doing so, they are also doing a better job of tracking what dancers make, for the government. Thus, the dancers end up having to report more of their income. So, in the end the government gets more money to waste, and some bureacrats get bigger empires. While dancers take home less money. If you think a union will help that you're dreaming.
Falcon

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Nicole_Farallon (202 posts)
03-May-01, 06:15 PM (PDT)

15. "RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509"

I only think that a union would help in a situation like the Lusty Lady, where the girls are paid wages. Otherwise, not a good idea to bring attention to how much dancers make.

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Falcon (44 posts)
04-May-01, 02:58 PM (PDT)

16. "RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509"

Actually, my response was to pretty_ladie, who did suggest that the problems with AB2509 could be solved with unionization. Also, I believe that just about all (if not all) clubs in SF now pay wages to their dancers. I think you are refering to the fact that the Lusty Lady dancers depended solely on their wages since they didn't recieve tips.
Falcon

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Nicole_Farallon (202 posts)
04-May-01, 03:13 PM (PDT)

17. "RE: Governor Davis and assembly bill 2509"

Yes, also the dancers "wages" are taken from their quotas. Back at MSC, when the quota was 100, you got twenty-five back in a paycheck, minus taxes taken out. So, it is not like the club paid wages to the dancers out of their pocket.

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