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FreeWillyDave (437 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 08:49 AM (PDT)
"tipping protocol"
Hey all,

I have a question to ask you about your tipping habits. Do most of you tip? If so, how much say, for an hour session at $$1/2?
By tipping, in this case I mean giving money rendered for good service above and beyond the session fee.

How much do you tip your ATFs?

I admit to tipping more often than not, and sometimes pretty well for what I felt was a terrific session. I'll even admit to recently tipping $60 on top of her fee for a 1/2 session... because it took a 1/2 hour afterwards for my toes to uncurl!

I'm sure a lot of cheapskate, unregistered boneheads would flame me on the other board for this one!!

FWD

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jimboy (299 posts) Click to send private message to jimboy Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 09:17 AM (PDT)
1. "RE: tipping protocol"
How about us cheapskate, registered boneheads?

Seriously, I'm a big fan of full-disclosure, no-games hobbying. If I see a provider who quotes a certain price on the phone, and then expects "tips" on top of that, then I'm probably not going to see her again. An independent has the ability (and IMHO, the responsibility) to set her rates at whatever level she feels meets her needs/desires. AMP and agency girls are different and tips are appropriate, but I rarely see them anyway so I don't have a lot of advice there.

That being said, if I have an outstanding session I don't have a problem giving extra. Especially if the woman goes out of her way to make the time memorable. My former ATF once went to her kitchen, got a bowl of strawberries, and fed them to me with her lips. Sadly for me, happily for her - she's now out of the biz. But DAMN that memory is as fresh today as the day it happened. When something like that happens, only a complete ASS wouldn't fall all over himself to let the woman know how much she is appreciated.

As to how much to tip, I think it depends on the situation and the woman. A $60 tip might be a windfall for some and no big deal for others. For an ATF the important thing is that you're both happy with the arrangement. If she's unhappy then she won't be ATF-like anymore. And if you're unhappy you'll lose interest and go somewhere else.

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Strong (1037 posts) Click to send private message to Strong Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 10:03 AM (PDT)
2. "RE: tipping protocol"
I'm one of the guys who never tips. I always assume that the girl builds her tip into the rate and does not expect anything other than that. It's always nice to give a lady a tip if she does something above and beyond what is normal though.
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FreeWillyDave (437 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 11:36 AM (PDT)
4. "RE: tipping protocol"
strong,

actually, I think that you're more the norm, and I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that my habit of tipping may be a bit (too much?) on the generous side. Certainly, it hasn't been expected. That makes it easier to give freely. I profess that giving the extra donation stems from a bit insecurity in making sure that I'd be very welcome back for another session. I hope that in at least some cases it gives me preferential treatment for scheduling future sessions.

I know I have no reason to necessarily think that, but I also know that the best way to sincerely thank these girls for a great time is with cash. I wouldn't be inclined to offer it if I felt it were expected, however.

My ATF solidified her position as my ATF when she recently refused to take any more money-- something that doesn't happen often with most providers!

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blueboy99 (27 posts) Click to send private message to blueboy99 Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 12:24 PM (PDT)
5. "RE: tipping protocol"
Excellent post FWDave. I agree and have to admit my reason for tipping stems from some insecurity about wanting to leave a good impression for "next time". Who knows if it works, but I'm always welcome back. I may be leaving a little extra on the table than necessary, but I feel good about giving it to her if the session meets my expectations. I'm talking a $40 to $60 tip or so. It doesn't break me and I think they really do appreciate it. If it becomes expected, I'd also be less inclined...
I haven't had anyone refuse it yet, but I don't go that often.
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LanceP (88 posts) Click to EMail LanceP Click to send private message to LanceP Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 10:29 AM (PDT)
3. "RE: tipping protocol"
I always tip a minimum of 20% in addition to the lady's hourly fee. For extended sessions, I find myself tipping a bit more . I usually have a wonderful time anyway and just want to show my utmost appreciation for a time well spent together.

Lance

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ElephantBalls (72 posts) Click to send private message to ElephantBalls Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 12:31 PM (PDT)
6. "RE: tipping protocol"
I have never tipped and it has not been an issue. I have a number of providers who go out of their way to be available, so I guess this is not setting me back with the providers. Seems like they are more concerned with clients being healthy, clean, respectful, and communicative.

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odoggy (126 posts) Click to send private message to odoggy Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 12:47 PM (PDT)
7. "RE: tipping protocol"
I have had 100+ encounters w/ providers(amps & independents)over the last 2 years. I think I tipped once. A repeat visit is more valuable than a tip with no repeat business. Isn't it??

If they are rude enough to ask for a tip; I tell them to go to junior college and become an RN.

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Strong (1037 posts) Click to send private message to Strong Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 01:00 PM (PDT)
8. "RE: tipping protocol"
I don't think you really have to tip to guarantee a good next appointment. I've never had any troubles whenever I would repeat. All the money you save from tipping could be used to see a few extra providers a year.
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FreeWillyDave (437 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 01:02 PM (PDT)
9. "thanks"
thanks for your post-- it confirms what I suspected, that such tipping is more the exception than the norm.

Still, I feel good about giving an extra little something to show my gratitude for services well rendered. I think maybe I'll tone it down a little so as not to make it an expected thing.

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human_genome (880 posts) Click to send private message to human_genome Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 01:08 PM (PDT)
10. "RE: I don't but what I do is"
somehow with the few ladies I have encountered and want a regular thing I have come up with their mailing address (incall at home). In between visits I send a nice card with "the tip" [not more than 10%]. I always get a call back with a thanks.. I always get a prompt call back for an appointment.. I always get a "wait till I get ahold of you next time". Many times I get a showing of what my tip did- such as that orchid in the window is what you bought for me.
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IBME (13 posts) Click to EMail IBME Click to send private message to IBME Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 01:18 PM (PDT)
11. "RE: tipping protocol"
It depends,
On the normal visit I won't tip. There has been times that it was service way above and beyond, then tipping is automatic for me. This is when I had multiple release and my head is in a daze.
The other times I tip is if its a provider I plan on dating again, I find the tip helps the mileage the next time around.


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Strong (1037 posts) Click to send private message to Strong Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 01:28 PM (PDT)
12. "RE: tipping protocol"
I think if you were to ask providers most of them would say that tips are not expected but appreciated.
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masterplan (52 posts) Click to send private message to masterplan Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 04:18 PM (PDT)
13. "RE: tipping protocol"
I will always give a modest gift OR a modest amount of money but never a lot (more than $20 in cash or value). The gift is usually of the smokable herbal variety. My reasoning for doing this regularly while still limiting the amount is so that I make sure the girl feels appreciated but, perhaps, doesn't begin to expect to get a lot from me every time OR i don't feel bad when i give her less the next time. I treat her with respect and pay her well for a service, a service that pays hundreds an hour - as much or more than most professionals.
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jaggededge (2 posts) Click to send private message to jaggededge Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 06:54 PM (PDT)
14. "RE: tipping protocol"
I don't find it necessary to tip, although I have on occasion. Especially when service was above and beond and only to someone i've seen multiple times and have some kind of rapport with. I think that being a respectful, clean and thoughtful person when your with that provider is more than enough.
These ladies are not making minimum wage, like a waitress. They are making hundreds an hour! Prices are already too high for the average guy out there. Lets not inflate them any more.
Now thats not to say you shouldn't tip ever, it just shouldn't be the norm.
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Strong (1037 posts) Click to send private message to Strong Click to check IP address of the poster
01-May-01, 08:15 PM (PDT)
15. "RE: tipping protocol"
What about the women tipping us guys back if they get off? Just a thought although I know it would never happen.
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bigsnausage (19 posts) Click to send private message to bigsnausage Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
02-May-01, 00:46 AM (PDT)
16. "RE: tipping protocol"
I think that too much tipping can lead to higher prices as the girls start getting used to extra money and then just jacking up the price in case the guy doesn't tip. I have seen this happen first hand and I have stopped tipping as the prices are getting ridiculous enough as it is already.
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GPenn (172 posts) Click to send private message to GPenn Click to check IP address of the poster
02-May-01, 09:46 AM (PDT)
17. "RE: tipping protocol"
I don't get it. When I have a particularly enjoyable day at work I don't even think about giving money back to the company.
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FreeWillyDave (437 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
02-May-01, 11:53 AM (PDT)
18. "no wonder you don't get it"
gee, with that kind of reasoning, no wonder you don't get it.

At work, you're there WORKING so that THEY will pay YOU. When you visit a provider, she is there so YOU will pay HER. If you enjoy your day at work, more power to you. But your going to work and visiting providers is not a valid analogy. Not at all.

More valid is the analogy of your employer's attitude towards your work performance vs. your attitude towards your provider's work performance. Say she has a 'good day' at work and really pleases you with her performance. So you don't tip her? Well maybe when your employer doesn't give you that raise or bonus despite being happy with your hard work will you understand.

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GPenn (172 posts) Click to send private message to GPenn Click to check IP address of the poster
03-May-01, 05:58 PM (PDT)
19. "RE: tipping protocol"
I was responding to strong's "What about the women tipping us guys back if they get off? ". My point is that employees don't tip employers when they enjoy the work.

I *do* tip providers, and I agree that a bonus when I do a good job is a good analogy.

I think the message board's indentation scheme has confused somebody again.

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FreeWillyDave (437 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
03-May-01, 11:28 PM (PDT)
21. "ooops"
Sorry, I took your post out of context....

I *do* understand how these threads work, really!


begging your pardon


FWD

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slickwilly (4 posts) Click to send private message to slickwilly Click to check IP address of the poster
03-May-01, 09:42 PM (PDT)
20. "RE: tipping protocol"
So, you paid her say $350 an hour, the fee she asked for, and she has a right to expect more? It's up to you, but for me the service must be extraordinary to merit a tip on top of an already rather high fee. You have to decide if this will be worth it in terms of future good will with her. Unless it is a fairly significant tip, she won't even remember it.

Guys, let's face it. We're in a recession. Yet the fees keep getting jacked up every six months. I don't think tipping is the issue, it's this inflation. There's not a lot I can do about it except pass on the ladies at the top of the bracket. You'll find a lot of fine providers with experience and technique in the reasonable range, you just have to look harder.

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mister_handy (803 posts) Click to send private message to mister_handy Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
04-May-01, 07:55 PM (PDT)
22. "RE: tipping protocol"
We haven't recognizably been in the recession for more than six months; give it another siz and perhaps you'll see some drop in prices. Or some improvement in the economy -- I'd be happier with that than with a drop in prices.
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DarkKitty (653 posts) Click to send private message to DarkKitty Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
05-May-01, 09:34 AM (PDT)
23. "RE: tipping protocol"
For me, it depends on how far in advance I book the appt and how much money I can spend. If I book it far enough in advance, I'll have time to get the funds from the bank if the amount is OVER what my ATM will allow. Otherwise, I'm basically stuck w/ the ATM max for the day.

Having said that, I've tipped as much as $! I usually don't tip that well during the first encounter unless she REALLY blows me away. If we really get along well, then I will tend to automatically increase her rate as my "normal" compensation.

So, if her "normal" rate is $$ and we get along really well I will give her $$$ each subsequent time I see her.....

Peace.....

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