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Hezekiah (45 posts) Click to send private message to Hezekiah Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 11:52 AM (PDT)
"How many encounters per day?"
People, here's some VERY ROUGH math for your entertainment:

If I look at Metro ads, there are about 30 massage parlours or small incall places in the bay area. Let's assume that on average there are 4 providers working in each place (more for most AMPs, fewer for the incall apartments). That's about 120 ladies.

In addition eros and lovings would make me believe there are perhaps another 200 independent providers.

So...total is perhaps 320 providers at work any particular day. And let's guess that the average provider sees 4 clients per day. That's 1280 acts per day. (which is just under one orgasm per minute in the bay area, not counting the much greater number who do it legally -- makes you wonder where all that sperm goes, doesn't it!)

Now let us further guestimate that on average the customers go once every 3 weeks (some are once every 6, some are once per week). That would mean that support 1280 transactions per day there would need to be (1280*21=) 26880 clients. In which case 15% of them subscribe to RedBook.

Please feel free to further refine these figures.

-Hez

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sojo (406 posts) Click to send private message to sojo Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 12:57 PM (PDT)
1. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
Well there are almost certianly more than 200 independent providers and I doubt they see 4 people per day, probably more in the 2 or 3 range. Also keep in mind that many of them are only open for business (pun intended) on certain days.

The once every 3 weeks for visits may be ok.

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escritic (1352 posts) Click to send private message to escritic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 02:23 PM (PDT)
2. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
LAST EDITED ON 17-Apr-01 AT 02:23 PM (PDT)

What about the AMP girls?
Don't they see around 5-6 guys per shift?
Just wondering...

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Hezekiah (45 posts) Click to send private message to Hezekiah Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 05:55 PM (PDT)
6. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
>LAST EDITED ON 17-Apr-01 AT 02:23 PM
>(PDT)
>
>What about the AMP girls?
>Don't they see around 5-6 guys
>per shift?
>Just wondering...
>
>

I think that's true. but I also read on this board that some providers average fewer. I don't know the proportions.

Nicole? Michelle? Faye? Do any of you have opinions? How many clients/day do you "high-end" proveiders average? (if you feel like disclosing this information).

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Ms_Magic (438 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 08:21 PM (PDT)
9. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
Zero to three with zero coming up more often these days.


Michelle
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Hezekiah (45 posts) Click to send private message to Hezekiah Click to check IP address of the poster
18-Apr-01, 11:33 AM (PDT)
10. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
LAST EDITED ON 18-Apr-01 AT 11:35 AM (PDT)

Thanks for responding, Michelle.

Forgive my ignorance (I could look it up, I guess, but I'm lazy), but are you in the Bay area? If not, could you do some similar ballpark estimates for your area?

I'm truly sorry to hear that business is down for you. How long has this been going on?

Do you think there is some price elasticity in your market? For example: we've seen that electricity consumption has little elasticity: people use almost the same amount despite significant fluctuations in price. In personal appliances, on the other hand, changing the price of a product will have significant impact on the total number of sales.

You are lucky to be in a market with relatively low per-service overheads. So if you lower prices AND that results in more sales, you have a net gain.

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Ms_Magic (438 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
18-Apr-01, 04:40 PM (PDT)
12. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
Yes I am in the Bay Area. I'll repeat what I recently wrote in another thread. Work slowed down a bit last year but has been considerably worse this year, especially the last few weeks. Even the number of calls has dropped substantially. And there lies the problem. Even if I was to lower my rates, I probably wouldn't increase my revenue that much unless the calls pick up. I'm a real penny pincher so even though I'm making less than I anticipated, I have no problems paying my bills.

Now that taxes (income and property) have been paid or extensions filed, it will be interesting to see if things change. Maybe the slowdown is here to stay.

Michelle
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Strong (843 posts) Click to send private message to Strong Click to check IP address of the poster
18-Apr-01, 04:51 PM (PDT)
13. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
Michelle, I think you actually would get more calls if you were to lower your rate. There are more guys that fall into the lower price range than guys in the higher price range. Then, I think business would pick up for you. From other threads on the general discussion section most of the guys are seeing less providers and not more. I think that has something to do with higher prices and how much they're willing to spend on the hobby now. I'm glad that even in the slow times for you that you still have no problems paying your bills. I always appreciate your comments here. What about having specials once in a while for the redbook guys? Or what about a two day special that is $200 for the hour or $150 for a half? I'm just throwing out suggestions and you can take it for what it's worth. I know when I read the bigdoggie Seattle board that many providers have specials going on for a month or even a weekend at a time. I hope things pick up for you though.
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FreeWillyDave (359 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
18-Apr-01, 05:10 PM (PDT)
14. "RB special"
He may have something here! Dontcha want to put the faces to the names?

FWD

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Ms_Magic (438 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
19-Apr-01, 03:54 PM (PDT)
16. "RE: RB special"
Heck, I'd like to put the faces to the names of the guys who post saying that they've seen me! Re. lower rates, I don't think posting something like that on Redbook would do much for me. Very few of my clients are aware of Redbook. And for many I'm too old, too far away, breasts are too small, wrong hair color, etc. I don't have a need to see 3-4 clients a day so I'm going to wait things out and see what happens in the next month or so before I consider adjusting my rates.

Michelle
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Strong (843 posts) Click to send private message to Strong Click to check IP address of the poster
19-Apr-01, 04:34 PM (PDT)
18. "RE: RB special"
LAST EDITED ON 19-Apr-01 AT 04:35 PM (PDT)

Let's say there is a Redbook discount. If you say that very few of your clients are aware of Redbook then there won't be that many times that you would have to give someone a lower Redbook rate. That's even more reason to give the Redbook guys a break. I think you may get new clients such as myself if your rates were lower. That's just my opinion.

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Ms_Magic (438 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
20-Apr-01, 03:55 PM (PDT)
25. "RE: RB special"
LAST EDITED ON 20-Apr-01 AT 03:56 PM (PDT)

Mr. Strong,

You've made it quite clear that you max out at $200/hr. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to lower my rates by that much, if I lower them at all.

Michelle
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FreeWillyDave (359 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
19-Apr-01, 05:42 PM (PDT)
19. ":'( (EOM)"
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human_genome (761 posts) Click to send private message to human_genome Click to check IP address of the poster
18-Apr-01, 05:38 PM (PDT)
15. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
My regular provider tells me it is always slow at tax time, picks up after. Hope your biz does as well.
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Ms_Magic (438 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
19-Apr-01, 03:55 PM (PDT)
17. "Thanks. (eom)"
Michelle
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Reindeer (1 posts) Click to EMail Reindeer Click to send private message to Reindeer Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
19-Apr-01, 07:43 PM (PDT)
20. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
LAST EDITED ON 19-Apr-01 AT 07:45 PM (PDT)

Dear Ms. Magic:
Sorry to hear that business is slower than you would like. But I find this news heartening in a way. Let me explain. I am a semi frequent visitor to SF. There are a number of providers that I would like to see. Due to my infrequent and sudden trips I never can set up enough of an advance schedule. I am attracted to the quality providers, and frankly, they don't respond well to last minute/same-day meeting schedules. I can understand why.
You are at the top of my list by the way; yet I have never called. Reason: I never thought a morning call (to a provider with your fine reputation) could possibly result in a meeting that particular evening. I just assumed that you've always got your "Regulars" in addition to those who have flexible enough schedules to patiently wait; day-to-day, week-to-week as necessary. Maybe I was wrong. If business is slow, perhaps it IS possible, for example, to call you at approximately 9am for a 9pm rendezvous(?) Please post your thoughts on this if you care to.
My dilema points up a possible business strategy for you also: the short-term appointment. Perhaps you could advertise that depending on your bookings, you are capable of taking short notice assignments (with all the normal safety protocols of course)for the business traveler. Just a thought. Also, I WILL give you a call from SF (late April, early May ?) this time. I promise!
Rgds, R

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Ms_Magic (438 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
20-Apr-01, 04:17 PM (PDT)
26. "short notice appts"
How ironic! Most, and by that I mean 90+%, of my work is same day. I require same day appts for new local guys since they seem to be very forgetful and even when my regulars can book ahead, they often do same day. And same day for me often translates into someone calling and wanting to see me in 20 min to 2 hours. There's rarely any need to call 12 hours in advance.

I recently talked with someone who said she refuses to see someone who gives her 2 hours notice. All I could say was "Huh?". That may be one of the reasons she is struggling financially and I'm not.

I look forward to meeting you soon. By the way, don't call Mon, Tue or Fri mornings since that's when I am at the gym.

Michelle
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panther (370 posts) Click to send private message to panther Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 03:21 PM (PDT)
3. "Where "it" goes..."
Don't read this unless you are ready to handle something some might find 'gross.'

I met a guy who works at the wastewater treatment facility in SF. He said every Saturday and Sunday morning, the treatment ponds are FULL of used condoms!!!!

Didn't want you to be wondering about that your whole life....


panther

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sojo (406 posts) Click to send private message to sojo Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 05:01 PM (PDT)
4. "RE: Where "it" goes..."
Doesn't bother me Panther, unless there is something attached to them.
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escritic (1352 posts) Click to send private message to escritic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 05:02 PM (PDT)
5. "RE: Where "it" goes..."

So our tap water is fortified with protein?

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Hezekiah (45 posts) Click to send private message to Hezekiah Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 05:56 PM (PDT)
7. "RE: Where "it" goes..."
>I met a guy who works
>at the wastewater treatment facility
>in SF. He said every
>Saturday and Sunday morning, the
>treatment ponds are FULL of
>used condoms!!!!

Hi Panther.

So..Friday and Saturday nights are woopeee nights!


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sojo (406 posts) Click to send private message to sojo Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 06:23 PM (PDT)
8. "RE: Where "it" goes..."
Either that or the sewers drain slow in SF.
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Zoe (13 posts) Click to EMail Zoe Click to send private message to Zoe Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
18-Apr-01, 01:18 PM (PDT)
11. "RE: How many encounters per day?"
Wow those are some big numbers. I think its more like feast or famine. Some days I have 2-4 and others I have nothing. Seems to come in waves for me. This week is slow, last week I was turning people down.
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skywalker971 (17 posts) Click to send private message to skywalker971 Click to check IP address of the poster
19-Apr-01, 10:46 PM (PDT)
21. "RE: How many encounters per day?"

It is slow everywhere. Some AMP girls told me, it is also slow in AMP. Previously, they have 6~8 customers a day, and now it is down to 3~4 customer a day.
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WB (31 posts) Click to send private message to WB Click to check IP address of the poster
20-Apr-01, 10:11 AM (PDT)
22. "Like I said in another thread..."
I've had to curtail my contributions to the "sperm bank" due to uncertainty of funds at my regular bank... and now gasoline is getting too stupid on top of PG&E, along with the rest.

It had nothing to do with tax season, this started for me months ago. I only visit an AMP once a month and a SW I know once or twice a month now. That totals 300 for me.

I cannot afford and don't want just one 300 romp a month, and I've found it really isn't much more satisfying for that higher price!

Michelle, I adore older women - I've NEVER seen you but if you lowered your rate, you can be sure I'd cum visit...

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Hezekiah (45 posts) Click to send private message to Hezekiah Click to check IP address of the poster
20-Apr-01, 01:57 PM (PDT)
23. "Updated figures"
LAST EDITED ON 20-Apr-01 AT 01:58 PM (PDT)

Thanks everybody (male and female) for your responses. It seems to me that I need to reduce the per-day average because
(i) the high providers who have responded (thanks, ladies) indicate they are getting 0-3 per day. I'll estimate 1.5 on average
(ii) the AMP feedback seems to be 3-4 per day. Call it 3.5 on average

So...assuming the same proportions, that makes
((120 (AMP providers) * 3.5) + (200 (indep) * 1.5)) = 720 acts per day. (down from 1280 during the times the stock market was high).

Do any of you MBAs or economists have a mathematical model for how this type of drop in market size might effect the range of prices in a market like this? (you could use alcohol as an analogy, because it's a very pleasant habitual luxury that meets a strong social/psychological need and a few people are seriously addicted)?

This might give the providers some kind of economic forecast.

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FreeWillyDave (359 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
20-Apr-01, 02:49 PM (PDT)
24. "RE: Updated figures"
Hezekiah,

>(i) the high providers who have
>responded (thanks, ladies) indicate they
>are getting 0-3 per day.
> I'll estimate 1.5 on
>average

I think these numbers are low, as some of the more popular ones are doing much more than that

>(ii) the AMP feedback seems to
>be 3-4 per day.
>Call it 3.5 on average
>
I think this number may be low, too, especially at Lee's
>
>So...assuming the same proportions, that makes
>
>((120 (AMP providers) * 3.5) +
>(200 (indep) * 1.5)) =
>720 acts per day.
>(down from 1280 during the
>times the stock market was
>high).
>
I don't think that it's easy to forecast where this market's going, anymore than where the stock market (and certain segments of it especially) are going.

FWD

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AMPFan (559 posts) Click to send private message to AMPFan Click to check IP address of the poster
20-Apr-01, 07:55 PM (PDT)
27. "Reminds me of an old joke..."
Here's a stat that appeared in Playboy's Party Jokes back in the early 70's:

The average erect penis is six inches long, while the average vagina is eight inches deep. This means that in New York City alone, there at least 100 miles of unused pussy.

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