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masterplan (51 posts) Click to send private message to masterplan Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
14-Apr-01, 03:33 PM (PDT)
"do you think?"
Do you think that providers who get negative reviews here on redbook work at improving their service because of what they have read or do you think that they are from the Claudia school of prostitution/being a ROB and bank on the fact that not everyone knows about Redbook?
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escritic (1333 posts) Click to send private message to escritic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
14-Apr-01, 03:45 PM (PDT)
1. "RE: do you think?"

I have only seen a few posts of providers improving their services, for whatever reasons. However, there seem to be more posts about providers giving less quality service.

The last assumption is definitely valid, seeing how many bait and switch and ROBs are out there.

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gettoff (11 posts) Click to send private message to gettoff Click to check IP address of the poster
14-Apr-01, 04:32 PM (PDT)
2. "RE: do you think?"
Hell no will they improve their service. You are correct that a small amount of men that call are on RB. Why work any harder when all they have to do is change their name? After the name change they will still get the RB/Internet users.


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escritic (1333 posts) Click to send private message to escritic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
14-Apr-01, 06:21 PM (PDT)
3. "RE: do you think?"

But the RB collective will soon recognize the name change and the effect of name change posts minimal result.

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MOJO (152 posts) Click to send private message to MOJO Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
14-Apr-01, 06:43 PM (PDT)
4. "RE: do you think?"
>
>But the RB collective will soon
>recognize the name change and
>the effect of name change
>posts minimal result.
>
>
You didn't recognize the name change!

My point being that it is so easy to change a name and most will NOT recognize the change, with the few exceptions like KristyFFF, Chelsey, Ariel/Raquel/Celeste.


Speaking of changing names:
What ever happened to kmsasck? I'll bet he is still around, but under what name?

Peace-out
MOJO

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Bud (15 posts) Click to EMail Bud Click to send private message to Bud Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
15-Apr-01, 08:11 AM (PDT)
5. "RE: do you think?"
Sure, I think some providers will use the information to improve their service. Of course, if they prefer to clip and run and don't value return business, it doesn't matter. I can think of one specific example, Alexis in Sacramento, who responded to the complaint that she was rushed. After those reviews, she went out of her way to make sure guys got the full amount of time. It all depends on how seriously the provider takes their profession.
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headhunter (37 posts) Click to send private message to headhunter Click to check IP address of the poster
15-Apr-01, 08:15 AM (PDT)
6. "RE: do you think?"
Not that I have seen. It's a seller's market right now, and there is usually someone else who will go to a provider if you choose not to. Sad but true.
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Ms_Magic (429 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
15-Apr-01, 11:39 PM (PDT)
11. "RE: do you think?"
"It's a seller's market right now..." NO IT'S NOTTTTT!

Michelle
Michelle's Magic

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headhunter (37 posts) Click to send private message to headhunter Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 00:54 AM (PDT)
14. "RE: do you think?"
Really? I'm actually a bit taken aback at this. I guess from one point of view, when providers do not return calls (which apparently is more widespread, if you take the chatter in the public board as honest..a big assumption, I know), to me that would indicate a seller's market. OTOH, I guess with the latest downturn of the market and all, it could also be tight all around.

Of has this been a buyer's market for longer than I know of? Hard for me to judge on some cases, since I tend to stay with a few regular providers, all of which are rather busy.

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Ms_Magic (429 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 12:54 PM (PDT)
18. "Work slowdown"
Work slowed down somewhat last year and has slowed down even more this year. There are fewer calls for sure. As one provider wrote, that meant she had fewer prospective clients for her limited available time slots. I know of two popular girls who took a day off last week and went shopping. We can't be by the phone all the time. Of course, some girls will stay as popular as ever (even those ROB's) but since I have limited contact with other girls, I don't know how the economy is effecting the profession as a whole.

Michelle
Michelle's Magic

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justwhaturlooking4 (26 posts) Click to EMail justwhaturlooking4 Click to send private message to justwhaturlooking4 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 09:29 PM (PDT)
20. "RE: Work slowdown"
Ms. Magic, I agree, I have not had much business for a while either....I get many contacts, but not so many actual appoinments lately.
About reading the reviews and trying to improve, I do....
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sojo (403 posts) Click to send private message to sojo Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 10:17 PM (PDT)
23. "RE: Work slowdown"
At a certain level this is a ruthless business. I have noticed in the past couple of years that the number of providers advertising on ErosGuide (I use them because they will count the providers for me - I'm lazy) has more than doubled. Also we get a lot of out-of-the-area providers who swing by like the old time circus acts. What this does, of course, is greatly increase the number of providers and decrease the number of calls. For some this is not big deal, for others it could really hurt their business. I will be curious to see if the number of providers adveritising will stay about the same, go down, or go up in the future.

I am surprised if it is affecting either of you but hopefully things will improve.

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DarkKitty (520 posts) Click to send private message to DarkKitty Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
15-Apr-01, 09:15 AM (PDT)
7. "RE: do you think?"
No offense guys, but I've heard from a few providers that they think guys who frequent sites like Redbook are "quacks" and "losers" and they (the provider) don't really care what gets said about them on the boards.

I think if the providers had more faith in the integrity of Redbook members and in the quality and accuracy of the information that is available on Redbook (and other boards), they might take the feedback posted on these sites more seriously and they might change their service accordingly.

It's hard when guys post fake reviews or include bogus info in reviews of providers for providers to think they can "trust" a site like Redbook.

This is just based on feedback I've received from a few providers I've talked to about Redbook.

Peace.....

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masterplan (51 posts) Click to send private message to masterplan Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
15-Apr-01, 07:26 PM (PDT)
8. "RE: do you think?"
For the record, 95% of the time now, I only call girls with 3+ good reviews. One raving review is not good enough. I had a thought some time ago that may help reduce fake reviews. A 'reviewer search' feature may be handy so we can see if someone has posted reviews before or not, seems to be accurate in accordance with other reviewers, etc... I'm not sure how to better word my thoughts here but i think you get the idea.
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Strong (809 posts) Click to send private message to Strong Click to check IP address of the poster
15-Apr-01, 07:34 PM (PDT)
9. "RE: do you think?"
I'm sure the girls don't care what the reviews say. There are so many johns out there that don't know of redbook. Ever since I found redbook my standards have gotten higher and I now see less girls rather than more. Before, I was more willing to take a chance on someone but not anymore. In that sense the ripoff girls haven't gotten any from me.
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Ms_Magic (429 posts) Click to send private message to Ms_Magic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
15-Apr-01, 11:40 PM (PDT)
12. "I care! I care! (eom)"
Michelle
Michelle's Magic
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Strong (809 posts) Click to send private message to Strong Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 09:02 AM (PDT)
15. "RE: I care! I care! (eom)"
I know you care Ms Magic. That's why you consistently get good reviews. I only wish more providers would do the same and follow your lead.
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sfmike33 (26 posts) Click to send private message to sfmike33 Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 09:13 PM (PDT)
19. "be proud"
if every one of us PROUDLY proclaimed rb membership, then we would overwhem providers so they MUST work harder for better reviews. for the record, all providers know rb, and they all check rb. WE hold the power, not them. spread the word with friends and providers, and the claudias of the world will be eradicated- eventually.
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TheGreek (232 posts) Click to send private message to TheGreek Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 09:57 PM (PDT)
21. "I think it goes deeper than that..."
Numerous providers lurk on this site, and watch the posts that take place here. When they see how misogynistic, immature, obnoxious and (occasionally) insane many of the men on this site sound like, they of course get the impression that we are whackos and losers. It's too bad, though, that the small percentage (and even smaller now that it used to be) that do make those hateful posts are the ones that are remembered, because many providers will avoid clients if they find out they came from RedBook.

Given the above, I have to say that the environment has changed in the past year; more providers make themselves known on this board (although there are no more steady female contributers), and the guys who would have been saying that women have no place on this board seem to be more accepting (or at least tolerant) of them. Because of this steady change, I believe that at least the providers who care about providing quality time will take what men say here seriously; it may just be too slow of an evolution to notice.

Anyway, these are my thoughts (probably not even worth $0.02 Canadian).

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sojo (403 posts) Click to send private message to sojo Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 10:04 PM (PDT)
22. "RE: I think it goes deeper than that..."
Well Greek some of us are wackos and losers. Just won't say which ones. I do not know how much the reviews affect the providers, I would like to think that it depends on how useful the review is. The reviews that just sound like a letter to Penthouse are probably not worth much. Those that describe her atitude, professionalism, etc should be better.
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headhunter (37 posts) Click to send private message to headhunter Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 06:19 AM (PDT)
25. "RE: I think it goes deeper than that..."
I think you two are on target here. Hopefully, with this new forum, things will become less immature, less crazy.
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escritic (1333 posts) Click to send private message to escritic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
15-Apr-01, 10:57 PM (PDT)
10. "RE: do you think?"

Maybe kamsack went to Cuba to check out the street scene and decided to stay there forever to live a happy life in the
hoe paradise.

Or he found his soul mate and in Cuba and lives like a king.

The possibility is endless.

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MOJO (152 posts) Click to send private message to MOJO Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 00:33 AM (PDT)
13. "RE: do you think?"
escritic,
My point is that he is still here on this board, just under another name.


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MOJO

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escritic (1333 posts) Click to send private message to escritic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 10:35 AM (PDT)
16. "RE: do you think?"

OH.......

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jitrudi (28 posts) Click to send private message to jitrudi Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
16-Apr-01, 11:19 AM (PDT)
17. "yadayada"
IMHO the nature of the sex trade would indicate that there would be two types of providers viewing this-

1- women curious or interested in what is being said about themselves or their friends/competitors

2-women promoting themselves or dissing their competition.

3- and a fanatical devotion to the pope...errum, I mean and a couple of heart shaped women who are out in the matrix and living the life of courtesian, where bye there might be some movement towards adding value to their service although (with all due respect)I believe they too,for the most part, fall into the first two catagories.

But, I would think that sex and its workers get into a routine of sorts and offer what they offer, some are good some are not...YMMV is a very important concept as well. how does one improve their service? I look at reviews and aside from a few examples almost all inside are subject to a number of variables. Lets not forget that substance abuse plays a part in all of this...yadayada yada...

what my nutshell is is that NO, for the most part what you see in the reviews is what you get and there is no Majik Dick, I am an urban legend..LOL!

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Niqui (19 posts) Click to EMail Niqui Click to send private message to Niqui Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 00:10 AM (PDT)
24. "Redbook... an inspiration!"
I have to say that for me, personally, RedBook is the ultimate guide to service. I don't mean this the same way you gentlemen do... I mean a guide as to what one should and shouldn't do...

Almost a year ago my SO discovered RedBook, at the time I had never dreamed of being an escort... Even now, I still have a hard time believing this is what I do! When he showed me the site, I was totally fascinated. I read and read and read. I had always been curious about the industry, but never before had I had access to this kind of information. I was astonished as I read the reviews at how many women seemed to place NO value on providing EXCELLENT service. I couldn't believe these women were able to survive in what I thought had to be a very competitive business.

Then there were the good reviews, telling me (or any other lady who cares) everything that the gentlemen are looking for. It was like having a "how-to" manual for becoming an escort. I remember fondly reading all the reviews wondering, what was a GFE? or FS? Eventually, I grew to understand all of the lingo and was in complete awe of this great source of information.

Reading these reviews inspired me to give it a try. I knew and still know that I am not a model, but I enjoy all the things that come with this line of work. I had a feeling that I would be able to compensate for some of my physical shortcomings with a great attitude and excellent customer service skills.

I got out HTML for dummies, made my web site, joined a couple of yahoo clubs, etc. and was open for business. I've never been shy about my knowledge of Redbook. At times, I have even directed friends there who never knew.

The one mistake I made (and I admit this with great shame) was trying to falsify my first RedBook review. I couldn't wait to get in... but, Mr. RedBook is a wise, wise man and he kept my fiction from you. Many times providers have been accused of writing their own reviews... if they are, I don't know how they are getting away with it.

Finally, let me say that I have to agree with the ladies earlier. It is definitely a buyers market right now. When I started doing this (I am in Sacramento) there were not many girls on the market. Now, there are so many it can make one's head spin. There are less calls, that's just another reason why I care what those reviews say...

Niqui

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FreeWillyDave (336 posts) Click to send private message to FreeWillyDave Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 09:34 AM (PDT)
26. "thanks Niqui"
Thanks Niqui,

Your post is just one of many made by providers on this website that show a lot of insight and intelligence on the subject. Thanks for sharing with us


FWD

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macimay (29 posts) Click to send private message to macimay Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 11:14 AM (PDT)
27. "RE: Redbook... an inspiration!"
>I have to say that for
>me, personally, RedBook is the
>ultimate guide to service. I
>don't mean this the same
>way you gentlemen do... I
>mean a guide as to
>what one should and shouldn't
>do...
You know your amateur status is showing. But, this is what happens when the buz is criminalized, the training is left to the men.
>
>Almost a year ago my SO
>discovered RedBook, at the time
>I had never dreamed of
>being an escort... Even now,
>I still have a hard
>time believing this is what
>I do! When he showed
>me the site, I was
>totally fascinated. I read and
>read and read. I had
>always been curious about the
>industry, but never before had
>I had access to this
>kind of information. I was
>astonished as I read the
>reviews at how many women
>seemed to place NO value
>on providing EXCELLENT service. I
>couldn't believe these women were
>able to survive in what
>I thought had to be
>a very competitive business.
>
>Then there were the good reviews,
>telling me (or any other
>lady who cares) everything that
>the gentlemen are looking for.
>It was like having a
>"how-to" manual for becoming an
>escort. I remember fondly reading
>all the reviews wondering, what
>was a GFE? or FS?
>Eventually, I grew to understand
>all of the lingo and
>was in complete awe of
>this great source of information.
Are you sure your not really a man having a teenage fanticy?
>
>
>Reading these reviews inspired me to
>give it a try. I
>knew and still know that
>I am not a model,
>but I enjoy all the
>things that come with this
>line of work. I had
>a feeling that I would
>be able to compensate for
>some of my physical shortcomings
>with a great attitude and
>excellent customer service skills.
I bet your doing way too muchin the room for too little money, honey.
>
>I got out HTML for dummies,
>made my web site, joined
>a couple of yahoo clubs,
>etc. and was open for
>business. I've never been shy
>about my knowledge of Redbook.
>At times, I have even
>directed friends there who never
>knew.
>
>The one mistake I made (and
>I admit this with great
>shame) was trying to falsify
>my first RedBook review. I
>couldn't wait to get in...
>but, Mr. RedBook is a
>wise, wise man and he
>kept my fiction from you.
>Many times providers have been
>accused of writing their own
>reviews... if they are, I
>don't know how they are
>getting away with it.
Yeah , we all need an all knowing wise man in our lives.
>
>Finally, let me say that I
>have to agree with the
>ladies earlier. It is definitely
>a buyers market right now.
>When I started doing this
>(I am in Sacramento) there
>were not many girls on
>the market. Now, there are
>so many it can make
>one's head spin. There are
>less calls, that's just another
>reason why I care what
>those reviews say...
>
>Niqui
Flame Flame Flame.


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Niqui (19 posts) Click to EMail Niqui Click to send private message to Niqui Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Apr-01, 11:09 PM (PDT)
28. "macimay"
I'm not completely sure why, but I feel compelled to respond to your post...

>You know your amateur status is showing. But, this is what
>happens when the buz is criminalized, the training is left to
>the men.

My amateur status? Who are you to judge what my status is? At what point does one "officially" become a professional? To which government bureaucracy should I apply?

Am I somehow mistaken in believing this is a customer service business? In a customer service business isn't the most important thing customer satisfaction? Wouldn't that make listening to prospective customers important? I think my customers offer the best training available, I place a great value on the feedback they provide.

Criminalization has NOTHING to do with the level of service I provide. Any provider who does a good job wouldn't change her level of service if this were legalized. Providers who take advantage would, however, be forced to change their ways or face the consequences.

>Are you sure your not really a man having a teenage fanticy?

I am 100% positive! This question is just silly? Is there some real point you wanted to make?

>I bet your doing way too muchin the room for too little money, honey.

I would have to disagree! I do this because I WANT to, not because I HAVE to. Therefor, I'm not doing anything in the room I don't want to! I truly do enjoy what I do. I couldn't imagine doing this job if I didn't enjoy it.

>Yeah , we all need an all knowing wise man in our lives.

Apparently, you don't... seems to me, you think you've got it ALL figured out.

>Flame Flame Flame.

I don't know what happenned that has you so disenchanted with men. You clearly dislike them. If this is the case, why are you spending your time reading RedBook? I assume, if you went through the trouble of getting an account you are a provider. How do you wake up everyday and look at yourself in the mirror if you are spending your time with people who you seem to despise?

My intention here is not to "Flame Flame Flame" as yours was. I am really, truly curious why one with so much apparent hostility would choose this line of work?

Any intelligent answers greatly appreciated!

Niqui

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