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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
11-Mar-01, 09:29 PM (PDT)
"Falling for a provider III"
The next level was a week's vacation just concluded with her. Since she needs the $ to support her sick mother and impoverished relatives in Asia, I compensated her for lost AMP earnings again. She will soon be with me for another week at the same rate, and has offered to quit working in the AMP (which she says she hates) to become my mistress (meaning I continue to support her generously for the extensive time she will be with me). I have tentatively accepted her offer because I had a wonderful time with her.

After 12 years of prowling around AMP's etc. (interrupted by a 9 month unhappy affair with an ex-provider), I have decided to move this hobby to the next level. I realize I am risking having my heart broken and wallet emptied by taking this woman on. I believe I can handle her, but I'm posting this again because your feedback has been very valuable and I enjoy sharing this adventure with all of you.

Many of you have experienced great FS from AMP providers. Can you imagine what it's like to experience that 3 or 4 times a day every day? Frankly, after a few days she was nearly too much for me (I am, as I wrote, quite a bit older than she). Can you imagine what it's like to cuddle up and sleep with such a sweet woman every night? She behaved like the best wife I could imagine: she's an excellent cook and a delightful companion. Naturally I proposed to her but she turned me down for the time being.

I am aware of and troubled by LaughingGuy and gum_ball's posts about providers' chronic lying. I have caught her in several lies but her explanations make those lies seem innocuous. E.g., she lied about her nationality, as I discovered when she told me her real name; her explanation was that she didn't want her countrymen and women to know about her work as a provider, for they would lose all respect for her. She lied about her age, but so many women do that. I am worried that she will continue working secretly as a provider after she becomes my mistress. And I do suspect other men in her life, since she has admitted seeing other customers outside the parlor besides me.

My hope is that being with each other day and night for a considerable period of time will bring out the real truth from each of us. The problem is that the real truth for her is that she doesn't give a damn about me and is just doing a conscientious job earning the money and gifts I give her. Maybe the real truth for me is that I'm shelling out more $ for a much bigger thrill spending so much quality time with her (instead of an occasional hour or two) but that eventually I will tire of her because I don't really love her.

I'll tell you one thing: I really enjoy honestly exchanging info and experiences with someone on the other side of this game.
She has only one friend she can freely talk to about her work, while I have one friend plus all of you good RB people.

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SunnyDale* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
12-Mar-01, 05:18 AM (PDT)
2. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
Differentiating between real love and false love is not so easy when you have been paying for false love from actors in a high-priced role-playing game.

I read a couple of books which seemed to help - "False Love (and other romantic illusions)" and "Are You the One for Me?". They lay out some guidelines and also some general boundary conditions for progressing from casual dating to couple to engagement and marriage - which are really helpful if you have a history of getting involved with women who are bad for you in the long run.

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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
12-Mar-01, 06:58 AM (PDT)
3. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
Thanks for the references, SunnyDale. At this stage any false love has been coming from me, not her. She says she's grateful to be with me instead of having to work in the parlor, but she makes no pretence of loving me (other than being physically affectionate and treating me very well).
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SunnyDale* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
12-Mar-01, 10:14 PM (PDT)
9. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
Well, I think the point is...why would someone repeatedly become obsessed, get a crush on, or fall in love with someone who is, for one reason or another, really unavailable to you on some level - emotionally or otherwise. Once someone can answer that question, they are on the road to finding someone who can love them back.
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helper* (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
12-Mar-01, 03:32 PM (PDT)
5. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
> The next level was a week's vacation just concluded with her.
> Since she needs the $ to support her
> sick mother and impoverished relatives in Asia, I compensated
> her for lost AMP earnings again. She
> will soon be with me for another week at the same rate, and
> has offered to quit working in the AMP
> (which she says she hates) to become my mistress (meaning
> I continue to support her generously for
> the extensive time she will be with me). I have tentatively
> accepted her offer because I had a wonderful time with her.

Did you just hire a new employee or wife? You must be rich enough to buy her out, and I don't think we can blame her to find a better employer. But it could hurt, if either one of you fall in love in this relationship. It was fun in the beginning, and you may tired of fucking her, or you are too busy to fuck, or you are too sick to fuck. Are you going to keep her in your payroll if you didn't get enough fucking? Did she feel secure to keep her job forever?

I have AMP girl friend, and she would cry and not talk to me for days if she think I treat her like an massage girl. Funny, we didn't have that much sex like you(you lucky old fart), and we are in love with each other. You worry about the lies from the girl, could I ask you did you lie(friend, boss, family). My girl friend has never told me her age, I think she is 30+. But she look like 23 and has a 19 year old body, so my guess is between 19~30 is her age.

I was trying very hard like you to dig out all the truth about my girl friend, and what I found are all the sad stories about her life. My girl friend came to U.S. as a Viet. refugee, and she was sponsed by the church. Actually she live in the church for a few years, because she has no near relatives in U.S. She was raped by the priest from the same church in her high school year, and she has left the church since then. She worked in factory for a few years, and she decide to came to SF to find better luck.

She has no job skill, and she want to help the rest of family in Viet., working in AMP is the only choice for a young girl to make money fast. To make the long story short, digging out all the truth may help you understand her past, and it doesn't gurantee that she won't lie in the future. If your goal is to get her body, you already got it. On the other hand, if you goal is to get her heart, you still have a long way to go.

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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
12-Mar-01, 04:05 PM (PDT)
6. "RE: hire a new employee or wife? "
Helper*, thanks for the story about your AMP girlfriend. My "mistress" has a similar story (but no rape that she has told me about).
I'm not rich enough to buy her out if that means she gets the same money from me that she can get working full time in the AMP. If she really hates working there as she says then she has to accept less money. If she moves in with me she won't have to pay rent.
No, I never lied to her.
It must be tough on you for your girlfriend to keep working in the AMP.
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helper* (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
12-Mar-01, 08:16 PM (PDT)
8. "RE: hire a new employee or wife? "
> It must be tough on you for your girlfriend to keep working in the AMP.

It was tough, because I naive and didn't know some of the language could hurt her feeling. But I think I can handle it better now, and we both learn the best way of getting along. Of course, I will be jealous sometimes, but for now I just don't want her got hurt. And I wish all the clients not giving her a hard time.

My girl friends has worked in this kind of job for a few years, and I know she can handle it even she doesn't like it. She got hurt 2~3 times this year, because some of client really have big cocks. They bang her real deep and hard, and it hurt her back and inside her body. I bought some hot pad to help her smooth the pain and swallen, and I gave her some massage to help her relax before she sleep.

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Miles (539 posts) Click to send private message to Miles Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
12-Mar-01, 07:49 PM (PDT)
7. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
If your goal
>is to get her body,
>you already got it.
>On the other hand, if
>you goal is to get
>her heart, you still have
>a long way to go.

That about sums it up perfectly.

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firstsamurai* (0 posts) Click to EMail firstsamurai%2A Click to check IP address of the poster
17-Mar-01, 10:41 AM (PDT)
10. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
After reading your stories,i understand your feelings for the AMP provider and i love to be at your place too!But,i'm afraid about catching diseases from those providers,specially those who are so populars!My suggestion is to take her to a doctor for a complete examination before getting involved!What do you think?
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Too horny!* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
22-Mar-01, 09:00 AM (PDT)
11. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
Looks like she's worth it!I want to spend time with her in the future,so could you tell us how to get in contact with her and how much we have to offer her for a week?
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Too horny!* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
28-Mar-01, 06:08 PM (PDT)
17. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
Looks like you just want to keep her for yourself!Let's wait and see...
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
30-Mar-01, 10:48 AM (PDT)
18. "RE: you just want to keep her for yourself"
Of course. I suggest you offer to take your favorite on a vacation and negotiate a good price (I paid too much).
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Too horny!* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
30-Mar-01, 02:07 PM (PDT)
19. "RE: you just want to keep her for yourself"
How much is too much?It's all depend how much you like the person!Myself,i'm willing to pay a big amount if she's worth it!Some guys are willing to pay $$$$ to have just 1 shot with a pornstar,anyway there is no fixed price for a gorgeous pussy!BTW what's your price for a day?
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
30-Mar-01, 10:36 PM (PDT)
21. "RE: How much is too much?"
Yes, it depends on how much you like the person. If you really like her a lot you lose your normal budget sense and pay whatever she asks plus more in gifts - that's what I did and I'm not sorry because the affection and nurturing she has given me is really precious. But she could have turned out to be a ROB, I took a big risk. How do you know ahead of time that the woman is worth it? You just feel it in your heart, your gut and your genitals.
I won't mention specific $ amounts.
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Hotdog (1 posts) Click to send private message to Hotdog Click to check IP address of the poster
22-Mar-01, 03:46 PM (PDT)
12. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
I have been reading your messages and have concluded that you don't seem to have ever learned what a true relationship with a woman is!! True relationships are based on mutual respect. The basis of your relationship with her is money not respect. If you want to test my hypothesis, just ask her to come live with you but for no money or ask her to marry you again. You should be thankful that you have enough money to keep her as a mistress. She sounds like a beautiful woman who has awesome talents. I recommend that you just enjoy every minute you have together and don't dwell on how long it lasts. That way when the end comes (and it will), you will not be hurt.
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Too horny!* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
23-Mar-01, 07:01 AM (PDT)
13. "RE: Falling for a provider III"
You know,sometimes money is a replacement for whatever you don't have in order to possess somebody you really like it,maybe with time the person will fall for it,you never know!Look at outside,so many rich guys who have young and hot looking girls,like Anna Nicole Smith!But you are right about not falling in love so fast,because you may end up to have a broken heart.
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
25-Mar-01, 02:38 AM (PDT)
14. "RE: money not respect?"
Hotdog, I think you're stuck in rigid thinking. Why are money and respect completely separate? If you believe her story (and I do), her family in her home country is really poor and she needs a lot of money to provide proper medical care for them when they get sick and to help them live better lives (e.g., she paid for her nephew's wedding - his parents couldn't afford it). I respect that.
And after another week with her I know that she treats me with great respect.
I did ask her again to marry me. She asked me not to rush her, she wants to take plenty of time to get to know me. So that door is not closed.
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helper* (1 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
25-Mar-01, 10:07 AM (PDT)
15. "RE: money not respect?"
>And after another week with her I know that she treats me with
>great respect. I did ask her again to marry me. She asked me
>not to rush her, she wants to take plenty of time to get to
>know me. So that door is not closed.

I think you really fall in love with her, but money could raise your expectation for her. When you help her with money, did you raise your expectation about her. Did you expect her pay you back in a different ways? SEX? How did money play a role in your relationship? If you treat her with your whole heart, I believe one day you will win her heart.

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Hotdog* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
26-Mar-01, 08:48 AM (PDT)
16. "RE: money not respect?"
How about trust? I think you will admit a true relationship must have this element!! Will you ever totally trust her? Or will you think every time she is not with you she's making it with another man? Anyway I think you should step back and take a break from her (no matter how much it may hurt!)) You may come to a different conclusion about your relationship. Then see what happens when you get back together!
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
30-Mar-01, 10:24 PM (PDT)
20. "RE: trust"
Hotdog, you are right: Trust is a major issue. We are working on it with very frank discussions. I trust her more than she trusts me because she told me she doesn't trust any man (because her father cheated on her mother, her first lover hid from her the fact that he had a wife and children back in their home country, and she has observed many other painful examples of deceitful men).
Your earlier post is also right: she is "a beautiful woman who has awesome talents." As for asking her to come live with me, I did, she accepted, and we just had four wonderful days together in my home. But I still help her out financially: she deserves that.
We read RB together sometimes; apparently she knows you.
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SunnyDale* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
30-Mar-01, 10:59 PM (PDT)
22. "RE: trust"
Maybe I am wrong, but I have found that women who are unable to trust men are generally not trustworthy themselves. Often they are projecting their own lack of trustworthiness on others. Set a good example, be patient yet firm and don't trust her any more than she trusts you. Just my 2 cents.
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Too horny!* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
31-Mar-01, 07:43 AM (PDT)
23. "RE: trust"
I think you guys are confused between having good time with a provider and be in love,Realist said she's worth of the money,that's mean she did a good job for whatever you paid for,so what else do you expect from her,when you talk about trust and ROB?I think the best way out of it,is having fun with her as much as you can!If you're tired of her,pls introduce to me,i'm curious to be with her too!
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Hotdog* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
01-Apr-01, 02:02 PM (PDT)
24. "Good luck!"
Realist. Yes I am pretty sure I know who your woman is. And I will keep her name a secret from the rest of the Redbook crowd! You and I both sensed that she is a very special woman despite her background in the sex industry. She definitely deserves a better life and I hope that you can give it to her!! It sounds like you have the patience (and funds) to try and make it work!! If possible, don't let her return to her old lifestyle in the AMP. Good luck!!
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to EMail Realist%3F%2A Click to check IP address of the poster
01-Apr-01, 08:20 PM (PDT)
25. "RE: Good luck!"
Thanks, Hotdog. She told me to read the very positive review you wrote of her last year. Sorry to take her away from you and the other guys who enjoyed her.
Yes, working in an AMP was hard on her body (since she was so popular) and a few customers treated her badly. There was always the danger of getting busted (as happened to some other gals in that parlor). Her method to avoid that was not to discuss $, just trusting that if she gave good service she would be rewarded; would you believe that some jerks didn't tip her at all?
Good luck to you too.
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Rooster* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
01-Apr-01, 09:49 PM (PDT)
26. "RE: trust"
Good luck with this. She's protecting herself and her feelings by making things seem like a business transaction. If you don't give up she may in time take a leap over those barriers she's set up--she needs to see that you're serious, and not in it just for the sex. In the meantime, I hope you are doing ok. If you're feelings are true, It must be difficult at times to think that she's continuing to have sex with other men. I've been thru a similar scenario myself--although a bit different. I used to underplay my finances when talked to girls--said I managed a department store or something. When I became involved with an AMP masseuse, she went out with me assuming I wasn't wealthy. At any rate, when things became more intense, It became a bit more difficult for me to deal with her profession(silently--we never argued about that), but she also started feeling guily as well--began to offer HJ only..eventually she left the business(and is doing quite well).
Sorry about rambling, but again, good luck. Whether or not her stories are true may be irrelevant--it could just be a smoke screen to protect her heart--and such lies could be easily forgiven if she gives in to you.
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to EMail Realist%3F%2A Click to check IP address of the poster
01-Apr-01, 11:26 PM (PDT)
27. "protecting her feelings"
Wow, Rooster, you may have hit the nail on the head about that one. She actually told me that if she were my girlfriend, what right would she have to ask me to support her family as I am now doing by paying her?
As for continuing to have sex with other men, she hasn't admitted that she is, though she has indicated she might with one customer who loaned her a lot of money when she badly needed it. She has stopped working in the AMP where I met her.
As for underplaying finances, I've done the opposite of you: I've acted as if I'm much wealthier than I actually am, acting like Richard Gere in PRETTY WOMAN. I guess I did that because I assumed all she was interested in was money and that was the only way I could prove to her that I really liked her; frankly I also enjoyed acting out the fantasy. I did such a good acting job that now I'm having trouble convincing her that I'm not so wealthy as she imagined.
That creates a terrible bind: If she thinks I'm wealthy and now am trying to shortchange her, she'll be angry, whereas if she believes I'm not that wealthy and she is just after my money and doesn't care about me, she will dump me.
When your AMP masseuse left the business, what did she do to do "quite well" as you say? Mine has not learned any other skills to do well, so far I know.
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Rooster* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
02-Apr-01, 00:48 AM (PDT)
28. "RE: protecting her feelings"
She did various things, but finally ended up working for an airline company. An obstacle was breaking the addiction to money. I guess she found strength by re-establishing ties with her family and her church. She's now a happy civilian.
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
02-Apr-01, 02:30 AM (PDT)
29. "RE: happy civilian"
Glad to hear it. The twist with my gal is that she is addicted to money for her family, not for herself. That seems much more difficult to break since it's so noble ...
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Tongueman* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 09:18 AM (PDT)
30. "RE: happy civilian"
I have been following your messages with interest and would like to make a few comments. First, your relationship seems to be based on money. Thus, when the money stops so will the relationship. Can you continue to provide for her on a longterm basis in this manner? Second, she seems to have been totally honest with you about her feelings. You are trying to convince yourself that she has changed. But I doubt her attitude will change in such a short time frame. It may take months and months of effort which brings you back to the question - Can you continue to provide for her on a longterm basis? Third, I cam curious to know whether or not you have introduced her to your friends and family. Or do you just keep her hidden in the house? Unless you make an effort to bring her into your personal life, I doubt her attitude towards you will change.
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 11:20 AM (PDT)
31. "RE: introduced her "
Tongueman, having whetted your interest I'll reply but I am trying to stop these posts because she knows about them. I've introduced her to my two closest pals, one of whom is a hobbyist (he turned me on to RB) and the other knows about my hobby and her profession. I introduced her to a golfing buddy who was stunned by her good looks but I had to lie to him about her profession and how we met. I've introduced her to my chiropractor so she can get treatment for an ailment. I intend to introduce her to my son if we continue together.
You're absolutely right about the difficulty in changing her attitude and in my continuing to provide for her financially at the level to which she aspires. She has not been TOTALLY honest with me. She told me about one long-time customer she was with this weekend and I'm convinced she was with one or more others as well. I'm in considerable emotional pain over her right now.
What about her introducing me to her friends? She has offered me to meet her closest friend, the ex-provider who married a customer, but is afraid to introduce me to the ex-provider's husband because he doesn't know that my gal is a provider and she doesn't want him to find out.
"Ah, what a tangled web we weave when first we start to deceive" (or something like that)!
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Tongueman* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 01:06 PM (PDT)
32. "RE: Followup"
Your angst over your mistress is misplaced!! As has been pointed out previously, she is a hired hand at this time. Her primary motivation at this time is money. She is not your girlfriend or your wife! Thus, she is free to see whomever she wants during her free time (unless you want to pay for her time 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.) Relax and enjoy your time together. By getting stressed out, you will only put more pressure on your relationship with her. That is not the way to proceed in any relationship. If it is meant to be, it will be. Karma! Finally, why worry about her reading your messages! All of your messages about her have been positive. It seems this forum is helping you to sort things out.
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 02:03 PM (PDT)
33. "RE: Her primary motivation at this time is money"
You guys have been hammering away at that message throughout this conversation. It's true but this is not a cold-blooded business relationship. She has given me the ultimate GFE being with me 24 hrs/day for 20 days now (with two 4-day intermissions). When we separated briefly 4 days ago, I told her very emotionally that I can't tolerate her only wanting my money and not caring about me at all. She became somewhat emotional herself and told me she does have feelings for me but she needs the money for her family. I felt better hearing that and just resigned myself to her seeing her long-time customer.
But yesterday she postponed coming to my home for another day, promised to call me later and when she didn't call and didn't repond to my phone message and emails, I got very upset, worrying about her safety and wondering if she had decided to dump me. Today she finally phoned me, gave me some bullshit excuse for not phoning sooner and we will meet in a few hours. I don't care so much if she was with another customer, but I want her to be honest about it and not leave me dangling with anxiety.
Does that make any sense?
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Too horny!* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 02:47 PM (PDT)
34. "RE: Her primary motivation at this time is money"
Do you think that something bad will happens to her without you at her side?I think you was overreacted it!Just be lucid and don't go down the hole!
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Tongueman* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 04:48 PM (PDT)
35. "RE: Get Realistic"
Try to live up to your name and be realistic! You are just too emotionally attached to this woman for your own good. You have become so possessive and emotional about her that in the end you will drive her away. She is trying to tell you that already. She does not want to be possessed by you or by anyone at this time. She has her own life to live!
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Miles (539 posts) Click to send private message to Miles Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 05:23 PM (PDT)
36. "Life in the fast lane."
Even though it may not be a cold-blooded business relationship, she has always been forthcoming about her financial motivations. It seems she has reinforced that time and time again, and in a way, that's good. Your next step is to come to terms with it.

That may mean accepting the life that she has carved out for herself in the fast lane. It may mean she will continue to see other guys who will pay her. It may mean she will not be able to contact you, or conveniently return phone messages, pages, e-mails, and the like when she is "busy" with a customer. It may mean you have to accept the fact that she is still a practicing, full-fledged "working girl." It may mean that, no matter how wonderful she was the last time you saw her, you will not, and cannot be the constant focus of her attention.

If all of this (or the products of this) result in frustration on your part, then you haven't begun to accept or come to terms with any of the above. If there is any chance at all for this, you have to find ways to live with her, not against her. To that end, you cannot implicitly impose your version of how things should be or ought to be on her, because she's not going to change, at least not anytime soon. She is not looking for Pygmalion.

In a way, it's another reality check. A reminder that the fine art of compromise isn't always a painless, modest procedure.


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SunnyDale* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 05:55 PM (PDT)
37. "RE: Life in the fast lane."
Good post.

I would add my own 2 cents, that you have to consider that she is obviously much more driven my practical/financial concerns than by emotion and deep feelings for another. That's not to say that she has no emotions. However, when the two come into conflict, she will opt every time for the most practical, financially rewarding option. You, (realist) on the other hand, are more driven by emotion, caring and all that true love stuff. Unless you accept her as she is or come up with some way to meet in the middle, it will not be a painless experience. When it is over, she will walk away without looking back and you will probably not get over it for a long time. Given that, I would stop investing any more of your emotions in this girl than she gives back. Period.

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Stop seeing her immediately* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 06:28 PM (PDT)
38. "Been there"

I can tell you are in love with her, and you have invest a lot in her(money and emotion). When I bought some stock, and the stock didn't go the way I hope. I hold them, hold them long, hoping that things will turn around. Not a chance.


I suggest you stop seeing her for two weeks, first cool yourself down and cool her down as well. Think clear if you want to do next, if she worth the effort. Go see other providers, side track your attention from her.

I have done the similar thing last year, and I back out from the pain. Three months later, I found my real love, and she is so sweet, pretty. Save yourself by giving youself another chance.

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Too horny!* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
03-Apr-01, 07:54 PM (PDT)
39. "RE: Life in the fast lane."
Miles is right again!I have to vote for Miles to be the RB man of the year!2 thumbs up for you,Miles!
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to EMail Realist%3F%2A Click to check IP address of the poster
04-Apr-01, 09:22 AM (PDT)
40. "RE: Pygmalion"
You are psychic, Miles. After I picked her up last night, I rented the video MY FAIR LADY and we watched it and she loved it!
Also, I retract my accusation that she gave me a "bullshit excuse". When she explained her excuse further (cousins visited) it was believable. So either I was too distrustful or she is a really good liar. I tend to believe her because she's so warm with me now.
The picture at the moment is that she only has one other customer who loaned her a very large sum of money a while back and she is dutifully repaying the loan by being with him. She told me she'll be with him this weekend and will travel overseas with him for a month in the summer. She portrays that relationship as purely business and says he doesn't treat her as nicely as I do.
Anyhow, I'm astonished at the wise, caring advice I'm getting from all you guys. Thanks!
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04-Apr-01, 08:45 PM (PDT)
41. "RE: Pygmalion: other recommended viewing:"
Billy Wilder's "Irma La Douce", and of course, "Sweet Charity". Forget Pretty Woman..
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05-Apr-01, 08:37 AM (PDT)
43. "RE: Pygmalion"
Realist, you are a living example of the following lyric:

"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

Despite all the good advice given, you are not hearing the message! Just like the other gentleman, her relationship to you is purely business!!

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Miles (539 posts) Click to send private message to Miles Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
05-Apr-01, 11:01 AM (PDT)
46. "RE: Pygmalion"
Oh no!

Who is going to break the news to her that the ending of MY FAIR LADY is completely different from Shaw's original version (the play)?

MY FAIR LADY, in order to appease the American audience's appetite for a "happy ending," changed the ending of the play and strongly implied that Higgins and Liza became romantically involved at the end, a loving couple.

However, Shaw wrote very emphatically and convincingly that the notion of Higgins and Liza becoming romantically involved would have never happened, noting the assumption was devoid of any understanding of basic human nature, and particulary, feminine instinct.

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escritic (1429 posts) Click to send private message to escritic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
05-Apr-01, 01:48 PM (PDT)
47. "RE: Falling for a provider III"

Just wondering, what are you looking for by posting your experience here? What do you want to happen between you and her?
What do you expect will happen?

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06-Apr-01, 09:37 AM (PDT)
48. "RE: escritic's questions"
I started posting because I was very anxious about this interaction, feared I was deluded about this woman and wanted feedback to keep me in touch with reality. I got that from you guys and, once again, I thank you all very much.

I was also very excited about this experience, wanted to share that excitement and I wrote encouragement to you guys to try inviting your ATF to become your escort on vacation trip. It's simply a much higher level of pleasure than just boom-boom for an hour - if you can afford it. My gal told me of a friend of hers who worked in a S.F. AMP, had a customer who is the head of a well-known retail chain, and that guy is paying her big $ to accompany him to Europe for a month.

As for what I expect and what will happen: I don't know. I'm just living day-by-day with her. She has made me really happy, I can't imagine a more perfect mistress. I introduced her to my adult son and they got along very well.

So the only problem now is how long I can afford her. She really is working for her very big family in her home country. She bought land for them and intends to build a big house on it for them. Currently there are 20 of them squeezed into a small house!

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escritic (1429 posts) Click to send private message to escritic Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
06-Apr-01, 10:03 AM (PDT)
49. "RE: escritic's questions"

From what you are saying, you do realize and expect this to be a 'business' based relationship.

Just out of curiosity, how would you feel if your son sleeps with her?

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06-Apr-01, 10:47 AM (PDT)
50. "RE: if your son sleeps with her?"
What's your statement hiding behind this question (as Fritz Perls used to ask)?
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TheBopper (202 posts) Click to send private message to TheBopper Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
06-Apr-01, 12:43 PM (PDT)
51. "RE: escritic's questions"
Just curious, did your son ask how you met, and what was your reply?
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Realist?* (5 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
06-Apr-01, 12:57 PM (PDT)
52. "RE: escritic's questions"
He didn't ask.
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SunnyDale* (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
06-Apr-01, 08:01 PM (PDT)
53. "RE: escritic's questions"
One thing I would consider every so often is the opportunity cost of continuing this relationship. Spending your time and money on this woman prevents you from pursuing other, possibly more realistic opportunities for long-term happiness with a woman. I'd just keep that thought in the back of my mind as long as she is more financially motivated than emotionally motivated.
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